How DeepSeek crashed the AI party to take on Nvidia and ChatGPT
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on This episode of VergeCastWe are talking about all these angles and a few, because Deepseek is the story of the moment at many levels. Nelay and David discusses whether it should be companies like Openai and Anthropic tense, and why thinking models are a big problem, and whether all this additional training and progress actually add to many of anything at all. (Nelay has a long comparison with Bluetooth, if this helps you guess where we play.)
Next, we pass through our email box (VergeCast@theverger.com) and VergeCast hotline (866 -Verge11), and we are talking about some of your responses to the question last week about how people use Amnesty International. Thank you very much to everyone who wrote! There are many interesting, complicated and human ways that we all interact with ChatGPT, Gemini, Claude and the rest (but frankly, most of them Chatgpt), and we have learned a lot of your examples. They also made us feel many feelings.
If you want to learn more about everything we are discussing in this episode, here are some links to start, first on Deepseek and AI:
And in the lightning round: